Pumpkinhead Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I was just reading through my UFOpaedia, checking the info, when I stumbled across a gaping error: My game's UFOpaedia, from which I directly took all the text, says that the Small and Large Radar Systems have effective ranges of 300 and 450 nautical miles respectively, and yet the OSG (which is based off UFO Defense), says these numbers are 1500 and 2250! Is this simply an error in the original UFOpaedia text like the Chryssalid's supposed weakness to HE?Or have these numbers been changed from Enemy Unknown to UFO Defense?Or has the OSG got it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullAuto Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Does it really matter? All you need to know is one's got a shorter range than the other, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 I need to know how far-reaching each is so I can figure out the best possible location Not to mention the fact that I want my UFOpaedia to be as accurate as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Not to mention the fact that I want my UFOpaedia to be as accurate as possible Perfection is often not a finished product but a state of mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman4117 Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I would probably go with the OSG on thet one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neorapsta Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 yeah, there is no difference between UFO Defence and Enemy Unknown, just the names were changed cos of copyright reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullAuto Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Perfection is often not a finished product but a state of mind Sounds like a New Age cop-out to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 Perfection is often not a finished product but a state of mind Aa sou, Sensei Wax on, wax off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Sometimes I have to remember myself that expression when I start working too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 So in conclusion, should I change the description text to match the stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman4117 Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Leave it as the game has it but put a star at the bottom for corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 The OSG's stats look exagerated to me... but I'm clueless about which one might right be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Pumpkinhead: Concerning your radar confusion - I had the same problems when I tackled the radar section for my CSG. Confusing, isn't it? Well... not really. The OSG lists the Small Radar as 1500nm, the Large Radar as 2250nm, and the Hyperwave Decoder as 2400nm. (The abbreviation nm stands for nautical miles here, NOT nanometers)! The UFOpaedia gives the Small Radar a 300nm detection radius, while the Large Radar is 450nm - like you said. Did you notice a correlation between the two numbers? The OSG's values are 5 TIMES more than the UFOpaedia's. If the game would actually list a detection radius for the Hyperwave Decoder it would be 2400/5 or 480nm! (This is assuming the same ratio applies.) So which numbers are correct? Stick with the OSG here. Why? Look at the detection radii the game gives:Small Radar: 300nm = 345 miles = 556 kilometersLarge Radar: 450nm = 518 miles = 833 kilometersHyperwave: 480nm = 552 miles = 889 kilometersI am guessing that the nautical miles are "international nautical miles" for this conversion. OK, so how far is 345 miles for the Small Radar? Not much! Place your first base anywhere in the world where you are familiar with the surrounding area (cities, rivers, lakes etc). Now watch how far your Small Radar detects things. The radius is always larger - much larger - actually 5 times larger, than what the game gives! I checked this out and it is true for all the radar systems, so the OSG is not exaggerating or wrong. For my CSG, I list everything in one table. The game numbers go in the first column and the OSG's go in the second column. I even give the "wrong" value for the Hyperwave (480 nautical miles) so that readers can compare. Don't star the OSG though, the numbers are correct. I starred the game values, saying that the actual detection radius is much larger! Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullAuto Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Aa sou, Sensei Wax on, wax off! You know, I come here for the X-Com games, but I stay for the witty banter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 If there wasn't any banter, where would the fun be? I like to use Novosibirsk as a point for comparing radars. Moscow, Berlin, Beijing and Shanghai all make good distance markers. I don't know the distance, but the spacing for these cities is fairly even. I've found that the difference between the small and large radar is just the gap between Beijing and Shanghai, or Moscow and Berlin. The hyperwave decoder picked up UFOs all the way in London. Now which smart fellow here did the tracking and detection overlays again? They seem to have been lost in the archive. Good reference, that. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 With the OSG's detection radii, a Hyperwave Decoder can cover a whole continent, I know that much. If one was placed at each pole, it would cover everything down to the bottom of the UK in the north, and up to the tip of South America in the south -- I was playing around with it on a world map just the other day! For the data craved, I myself didn't convert the detection radii to kilometers like Zombie, but to degrees, so I could map them: Small Radar: 25°Large Radar: 37° 30'Hyperwave: 40° https://ufopaedia.xcomufo.com/pics/detections.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Mmmm. Very nice! Now let's find out where to place each base to maximize radar coverage while avoiding too much detection overlap! That is my dream! NKF:Here are the distances you were looking for: Distance between Novosibirsk and the following citiesMoscow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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