For Slaughter: AvP 2 is good. Watch it.

[Strong Bob]

I don't know how I missed this one; the signal was received seemingly in an instant. This is also not explained. There is no mechanical device used to transport the message so we are left with little else than a sort of EM waves - that travel at the speed of light...

 

That one is not exactly a plot error or even a break in the law of physics. There is nothing that really defines how the Predators relay their messages, and for all we know there is a whole net of space borne mechanical devices ala Mass Effect. It would have taken away from the movie substantially to show how the message reached their homeworld.

 

 

So you can say that tachyons are much more "down to Earth" theory than innertial dampening that we have no theoretical ground for.

 

Actually, this is something I was trying to point out to you. In reality, it really isn't. We currently have nothing that indicates faster than light 'anything' can exist. In fact, modern science adamently demands it can't exist. Even if we could have matter accelerate to the speed of light, the problem is that it would instantly become infinite, and therefore decelerating out of the speed of light would become impossible.

 

However, you will notice that under certain conditions, and different travel mediums, that inertia functions differently. Nothing so magical about it, but something falling from 10 thousand feet underwater isn't going to recieve the same effect as falling 10 thousand feet in the air. You accelerate at a different speed and the impact is different accordingly.

 

This doesn't really apply too well to starships freefalling from orbit, admittedly. But it's clear intertia rules are not universally constant. If both tachyon theory is true and inertial manipulation is possible, it seems more realistic that we'd find a way to work around Newtonian Laws before breaking another speed barrier. Although, to be honest, I have low hopes that either concept really even has a basis in reality to begin with. >_<

 

Also, after seeing the movie again, I am convinced that the only good part is actually the beginning... Pretty much the rest of the movie is really lame in my opinion. I honestly don't think I would recommend it for anyone unless they are not expecting much. Even the ending battle sequence has all the excitement taken away by a rather lousy attempt to explain why humanity has no records of Aliens by the time "Alien" takes place.

[Matri]

I recall reading somewhere that scientists have managed to slow down light particles, then speed it back up again. Faster-than-light is still out of reach, but I wouldn't say that it is impossible anymore. At the very least, the speed of light is no longer a constant and that opens up a whole new avenue of research.

[Strong Bob]

You are right. Light travels differently in different mediums.

 

I even observed a demonstration where light was slowed down to 13 kph in a glass contraption. Although I've never read about anything capable of moving light faster, except when passing through normal space medium.

[Space Voyager]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

 

...One curious effect is that, unlike ordinary particles, the speed of a tachyon increases as its energy decreases. (For ordinary bradyonic matter, E increases with increasing velocity, becoming arbitrarily large as v approaches c, the speed of light.) Therefore, just as bradyons are forbidden to break the light-speed barrier, so too are tachyons forbidden from slowing down to below c, since to reach the barrier from either above or below requires infinite energy....

...The property of causality is a fundamental principle of theoretical particle physics; tachyons, if they existed, would not violate causality, even if they interacted with ordinary (time-like) matter[3]. Causality would be violated if a particle could send information into its own past, forming a so-called causal loop, leading to logical paradoxes such as the grandfather paradox. Tachyons are prevented from violating causality by the Feinberg reinterpretation principle[3] which states that a negative-energy tachyon sent back in time in an attempt to violate causality can always be reinterpreted as a positive-energy tachyon travelling forward in time....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Nimtz

 

Nimtz says that the Frequency modulated (FM) signals transports the 40th symphony of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 4.7 times faster than light due to the effect of quantum tunnelling.

 

https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Rela...ght/FTL.html#21

 

Conclusion

To begin with, it is rather difficult to define exactly what is really meant by FTL travel and FTL communication. Many things such as shadows can go FTL but not in a useful way which can carry information. There are several serious possibilities for real FTL which have been proposed in the scientific literature but there are technical difficulties. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle tends to stop the use of apparent FTL quantum effects for sending information or matter. In general relativity there are potential means of FTL travel but they may be impossible to make work. It is thought to be highly unlikely that engineers will be building space-ships with FTL drives in the foreseeable future, if ever, but it is curious that theoretical physics as we presently understand it seems to leave the door open to the possibility. FTL of the sort science fiction writers would like is almost certainly impossible. For physicists the interesting question is "why is it impossible and what can we learn from it?".

 

Now, all of this is no solid proof for the possibility of faster-than-light being possible, but it's more than enough to show that your statement

We currently have nothing that indicates faster than light 'anything' can exist. In fact, modern science adamently demands it can't exist. Even if we could have matter accelerate to the speed of light, the problem is that it would instantly become infinite, and therefore decelerating out of the speed of light would become impossible.

may not be completely correct. And if you don't like the sources I posted/quoted you can find a humongous number of more scientific ones, but these are far more understandible.

[Strong Bob]

I am sorry, that was serious miswording on my part.

 

 

We currently have nothing that indicates faster than light 'anything' can exist. In fact, modern science adamently demands it can't exist.

 

Really I should have said "We have nothing that points to the existance of anything faster than light." It has been established matter cannot move to the speed of light, and all research beyond is speculative. I was not intending to say that it doesn't exist, nor that we have proof it doesn't. Merely that our current established scientific laws say that is not possible.

 

Also, according to the article on G

[Space Voyager]

All true.

 

If you want reviews etc. you can visit AVP Galaxy. I only visit it for the games. The only exception was my post at the AVPR forum about

me not liking the maternity scene. Because it adds nothing to the tension or movie being scary, it's just plain gore. IMO it seems as though a sick pedofile wrote that scene but I may be very biased because I'm a father...

 

[Azrael Strife]

Went to see the movie last night with a couple of friends.

 

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It's WORSE than the reviews I had read about it!

 

 

The action sequences are ... just boring, a friend fell asleep during one of the last fights and I was about to (the same thing happened to both in the final fight in Transformers, the camera was shaking so much that it just stopped making sense and it became very boring very fast). There is no need to shake the camera like a maniac to make the action sequence "exciting", Alien and Aliens mostly have stationary camera during alien fights and it does the job perfectly, shake it too much and you're showing you need the shaking to make the scene what it's not by itself, good.

 

And was no one bothered by the whole Predalien impregnating that woman? I mean, what the f*** was that? setting aside the fact that Predaliens simply DON'T do that, by Alien canons, I thought it looked like a bad old horror movie, like one of those Cristopher Lee used to do

 

I could not find much sense in the Predator going alone to hunt the Aliens by itself, even if he was that much of a reckless macho, for some reason he does not call in for help when he sees he's greatly outnumbered and was already hurt.

 

The human characters were pathetic, there were so many of them I actually lost count and could only remember Dallas' name, the rest would die in a heartbeat every few minutes, not that we'd miss them anyway, their acting was kinda lame.

It made no sense at all that the Humans possess Predator technology, it does not fit the rest of the storyline continuum.

 

Oh, and I'm just grateful that the whole teenagers love part of the story was not even as half as important as it was in Transformers, what the heck is it with Hollywood and teenage love stories in movies that simply don't call for them?! geez!

 

 

Azrael's rating: 4.0/10.0 (mostly sucks)

[Strong Bob]

A really odd thing I've noticed about the whole "Shaking camera" is that I never tend to get confused at all about what's going on. But everyone else gets lost so easily...

 

I'm serious, sometimes I don't even notice the shaking. (I honestly can't say I even noted it in this film.) Is it because the camera appears to become so blurry? Or is it just a lack of appeal?

 

I could not find much sense in the Predator going alone to hunt the Aliens by itself, even if he was that much of a reckless macho, for some reason he does not call in for help when he sees he's greatly outnumbered and was already hurt.

 

 

The Predators are not a military. Likely he was alone because he was just looking to get the prestige. This same thing is made clear in both the original Predator movies... Despite being outnumbered and outgunned, it is customary for the Predator to fight single handedly like that. I don't see why he would call for reinforcements unless he percieved the rest of his species were in danger...

 

However, that last battle he had with the hybrid leaves me a little uncomfortable. It was in character for a Predator to do that, but his mission seemed to be quelling all the aliens as opposed to just the hybrid.

 

 

Oh, and I'm just grateful that the whole teenagers love part of the story was not even as half as important as it was in Transformers, what the heck is it with Hollywood and teenage love stories in movies that simply don't call for them?! geez!

 

You are, unfortunately, in the minority here. I agree that such things have become too common, but the ratings indicate that people enjoy having a romantic element present, and teenagers are the most common moviegoers.

 

You seem to be bashing a lot on Transformers in your review... Almost as much as AvP:R. To be honest, I don't know how they can be compared, they are different movies in virtually every aspect.

[Azrael Strife]

I just compared them in two points

1) the teen romance element, don't mind the majorities, this is an Aliens movie!!

2) the shaking camera in action scenes, dunno if it's better or worse, it all comes down to tastes, really, and it's not that I really lose track, it's just that.. it becomes boring fast! I enjoy actually watching the whole scene rather than "ooh, there goes a tail! there goes a fist! there goes a head!", take a look at Aliens and its action scenes.

 

 

about the predator going solo, I can understand the whole prestige thing, but going unarmed and scavenging the weapons? I'd say they are smarter than that, and what's with the blue acid thing? that was almost magical...

 

[Strong Bob]

In regards to the magical blue stuff...

 

 

Spoke with a Biochem student about that. Essentially it makes sense to a degree, but not all the way. It seems to "evaporate" whatever it touches, and throughout the movie, it does this to flesh, bone, clothes, metal (the hunter's gun), plant life, and large bodies of water. This happens without harming unintended targets.

 

The only thing that makes the disolving liquid impossible is the pool scene. In all other aspects, it could simply function as a type of acid substance that corrodes all forms of matter until it is "used up". The Predator seemed to know enough about it to use the right amount on bodies, that damage to the surrounding matter is negligible. The pool scene makes everything impossible, unfortunately... Because suddenly a small amount evaporates large quantities of water (Without creating any fog or cloudy vapor) along with all matter inside. I theorized that water enhances the liquid's potency, but vapor found virtually everywhere in the air would have to be affected as well, and just a drop touching the air would vaporize virtually everything everywhere. Ha!

 

But as mentioned already. If you're going to bring up a fuss about magical blue liquid, you may as well bring up a fuss about magical FTL drives, magical gravity/intertial manipulators, and the Predator's uncanny miniaturized sources of nigh infinite energy.

 

 

2) the shaking camera in action scenes, dunno if it's better or worse, it all comes down to tastes, really, and it's not that I really lose track, it's just that.. it becomes boring fast! I enjoy actually watching the whole scene rather than "ooh, there goes a tail! there goes a fist! there goes a head!", take a look at Aliens and its action scenes.

 

This seems to be related to something I brought up here on this forum when AvP 1 first came out. (In fact, I made light mention of this towards the beginning of this topic.)

 

The Alien and Predator series were never really known for their action. They were action/horrors officially, but they were shot as suspenseful thrillers. Predator wasn't made a good movie because of it's action scenes, it was good because the suspense killed you on who/what the Predator was going to kill next. We saw scenes of an invisible entity dragging away soldiers, and the soldiers shooting back recklessly at something they couldn't even see. That's not much in the way of action.

 

The same could be said for the Alien movies. Essentially they weren't action flicks, just heavy suspense movies with bursts of action oriented plot here and there. However, I will concede that Aliens was more action oriented than the rest, it seems to represent the "black sheep" in that category.

 

This is the problem with a crossover. You don't have that suspense anymore. (Notice how both AvP movies and Freddy vs. Jason made no attempt at it?) The action is, and needs to be, of a completely different variety. We got this variety in AvP 1, but nobody liked it. So AvP:R was the next idea, and evidently nobody likes this either.

 

If you shot an AvP movie, how would you film the action? Keep in mind, you're filming two extra-terrastrial creatures that primarily rely on stealth and surprise. All movies up to now feature them shooting out from the shadows, striking, then dissappearing, save for very few occasions.

 

BIG EDIT: Has anyone read up on the recent discoveries on Dark Matter? Apparently, it's no longer so theoretical, and it trumps both my debate against FTL drive and Space Voyager's dislike of a ship crashing from orbit!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

[Azrael Strife]

Granted, filming a cross-over is not simple, it may just be that me, being a huge fan of the old Aliens movies, am expecting something similar, which is very hard to do when Predators are involved...

I still think the shaky camera thing is a cheap trick.

 

Regarding the blue magical liquid...

 

True, but FTL has some sort of scientific background, at least in theories, but a blue liquid that not only dissolves stuff but it dissolves stuff that it does NOT come in contact with? I think that's just too much, if it was just some sort of super powerful acid, alright, but it dissolves an entire corpse after being spilled in a very limited area, not to mention the pool part which was simply absurd.

Also, a coherency question, why doesn't the predators have weapons that fire the blue liquid? as in maybe case of emergency? you'd think they'd carry at least a watergun filled with it

 

 

And Freddy vs Jason was a joke