Statistics

[Pumpkinhead]

I have two questions about statistics:

 

1) I know this sort of thing has been asked before, but what I'd like to know is whether we have official numbers on all of a civilian's stats?

 

2) The OSG has the possible ranges of a new recruit's stats, but misses strength for some reason and was wondering if anyone knows what the possible range for a rookie's strength would be?

 

For the record, here is what the OSG says:

TUs: 50-60

Stamina: 40-70

Health: 25-40

Strength: ??

Bravery: 10-60

Reactions: 30-60

Firing Acc.: 40-70

Throwing Acc.: 50-80

Front Armour: 12

L/R Armour: 8

Rear Armour: 5

Under Armour: 2

[Pumpkinhead]

For the first time in a while, my game didn't crash, and I managed to get these results from several female civilians... Are they the same for all civilians?

 

TUs: 35

Stamina: 65

Health: 30

Bravery: 80

Reactions: 30

Firing Acc.: 30

Throwing Acc.: 50

Strength: 20

Front Armour: 0

L/R Armour: 0

Rear Armour: 0

Under Armour: 0

[NKF]

Apart from a few cosmetic differences (and a difference in corpse weights), the male and female civilians are identical.

 

However, what I would like you to consider is the difference in difficulty levels. Alien stats are adjusted based on the difficulty level, but I do not know if the same holds true for civilians.

 

By the way, regarding starting stats, we discussed something about it in an earlier thread somewhere. I can't recall which one, but it was probably the one about determining reaction fire. It's fairly recent, so it's probably still on this or even the next page of threads.

 

- NKF

[Pumpkinhead]

One other question:

 

What is the Psi Strength of civilians?

[NKF]

I would say 0. But that's just an assumption.

 

But to find out for sure, I'll teach you an ancient ritual from ages long gone that will divine the knowledge that you seek.

 

It requires that you have MS-Edit and that it can open files in binary mode. Windows 95, 98 and XP come standard issue with it. NT doesn't, apparently.

 

Anyway, follow these steps:

• Save the game in the battlescape. Preferably a terror site to get your civilians.
  
• Exit the game
  
• Open up MS-Edit (for those that don't know, go to the command prompt and enter 'edit', or you can also do it from the run menu)
  
• Go to the savegame directory and select the file called unitref.dat
  
• Before opening, set it to open as binary and enter 124 as the line width.
  
• Select a line that belongs to a civilian (check near the far right edge of each line for the names)
  
• Move the cursor until the column number is 58 (check the status bar)
  
• Read the 'value' line in the status bar. You'll have found the unit's psi-strength.
  

You could use a hex editor, but I find it's easier to browse the unit table in MS-Edit.

 

- NKF

[Pumpkinhead]

Sweet! I'll give that a go...

 

I tried opening another file in edit the other day but must not have selected binary because it came up with lots of weird symbols :dontgetit:

[Pumpkinhead]

Okay I tried it and it didn't work... When I open it as binary there are no names at all... I can however, open it in MS Word 2000 and see the names, but have no data after them, just funny squares :dontgetit:

[NKF]

As I said, the names are all the way on the right edge of each row. The console and MS-Edit can only show 80 (well, 78) columns across, but the column width for each entry is set to 124. Just hit 'end' to send the cursor all the way to the right, and you should see the names.

 

If all you got were funny symbols, then that's good! Unless the entries are in plain text, you're going to have to read the values in the status bar.

 

- NKF

[Pumpkinhead]

Thanks, dude, it worked fine The value was 5 for anyone interested...

 

Do you have a list of what each column represents? I tried figuring out my own, but it has huge gaps... and bravery seems to be missing :dontgetit:

 

Also, TUs, Health, Stamina, Reactions, and armour are repeated, which I found rather odd

[NKF]

Bravery's actually stored slightly differently.

 

I think it was 110 - (10 * x), with x being what's stored in each record.

 

I've pieced together a fairly comprehensive list of what each field represents (fairly being the key-word), but for a variety of reasons, would prefer not to disclose it to the public. (just to save my bottom from any form of righteous legal retribution)

 

As for the double values, some of the stats represent the maximum values and the other represents the current values. Not all the current values are stored in the save file, and are calculated on the spot.

 

Please note that most of all the stats in the unitref file are temporary. Apart from a few stats (like health and the experience), changes to your soldier's stats in this file will not affect the records in soldier.dat.

 

I'm planning to make a simple command line utility to display all the information of a particular unit in the battlescape (and display all sorts of interesting information such as the current experience, and what sort of shots the soldier will be able to do with the current equipped weapon, etc)- but I'm still working out how all the files interact with each other, so it's going to be quite some time.

 

- NKF

[Pumpkinhead]

Another thing I found interesting is that civilians' height is 21 and X-COM soldiers' as 22, which makes them taller than everything save the Reaper and Sectopod

 

Ps - I've only figured out columns 13-34, 38, 40, 45, 50, 57-59, 74... and the obviously the names

[NKF]

Well, I see you're having a bit of fun. (you'll also be pleased to know that you found what looks to be the height stat before I did. I take it you're referring to column 50?)

 

I'll leave you to it then. We can compare notes later. (via the PM, preferably)

 

- NKF

[Pumpkinhead]

Yep, column 50 it was

 

I've also got 43, 77 and 79 now too

 

I think my list now has most of the important stuff but I'd still like to know what the rest of the data means

 

Let's just say, if I was a cat, I would have died long ago

[Zombie]

Well, I finally completed my table on the possible values a new recruit can have. If you remember I only had a short list of 200 soldiers a while back. It now stands at 1000. Here it is:

 

                                                    ----AVERAGE----
STATISTIC      MIN   MAX   RANGE   MEDIAN   MODE   ANTIC.   ACTUAL   STD DEV

Time Units      50    60     11      55      56      55      54.75     3.16
Stamina         40    70     31      54      47      55      54.43     8.95
Health          25    40     16      32    28/30    32.5     32.35     4.52
Bravery         10    60      6      30      30      35      34.94    17.18
Reactions       30    60     31      44      32      45      44.82     9.21
Firing Acc.     40    70     31      55      48      55      54.69     8.62
Throw Acc.      50    80     31      64      50      65      64.73     9.08
Strength        20    40     21      30    28/35     30      30.11     5.84
Psi Str.         0   100    101      51      60      50      50.42    29.24
Psi Skill       16    24      9      20      19      20      20.12     2.54

 

Actually, there are very few differences in this table from the one with only 200 soldiers. The most noteable changes are in the Actual Average, the Median, and obviously the Mode. I also revised the Range data which is (Max-Min+1) - I forgot that these are inclusive numbers!

 

Since there were only minor changes between the 200 and 1000 soldier lists, I decided that 1000 values were sufficient. I would have been fully prepared to increase the size of the list if necessary, but this was (luckily) not the case. If one were to add more values, the greatest change would be in the Mode data, especially with the Health, Strength and Psionic Strength statistics. This is because there is a linear distribution among the numbers possible in that stat. There would also be small changes associated with the Actual Average, Median and Standard Deviation. For this discussion I think these numbers will suffice.

 

On page 104 of X-COM Strategies and Secrets by Neil Randall, the author states that soldiers with the first name of Maria seem to have above-average statistics, and backs up this claim with one soldier having TU=60, STA=67, HE=40, BR=30, RE=60, FA=61, TA=52, and STR=37. I kept track of soldiers with the name of Maria in my 1000 soldier data and found that there is absolutely no difference between the average soldier and a Maria. The Maria's tended to fall somewhat BELOW average in most statistics! I guess Mr. Randall got the luck of the draw and received an above average soldier named Maria and unfortunately formed an invalid conclusion from a too-small sample size.

 

Please note : these numbers were gathered from my two versions of the game (PC-CE and PSX) which have identical soldier stats (I checked). There are a few different PC versions of X-COM so some values may be incorrect in your game, especially the european release. The only way to tell is to gather a list of 200 soldiers and check for yourself.

 

By the way: those civilian stats are correct, and there is no difference between males and females except for the weight as NKF pointed out. So the Psionic Strength of a civilian is 5, correct? What is the Psionic Skill? 0?

 

Here is a question: what is the Psionic Skill of a HWP? I believe the Psionic Strength is 100 like the alien robots. I always assumed the Skill is also the same (0). Can anyone find out, because I would really like to know!

[NKF]

Correct, HWPs have 100 psi strength, and 0 skill.

 

If you cannot see the psi strength of a unit, then its psi-skill is definitely 0.

 

Interesting note about HWPs - the shape of the HWP's chassis is determined by their rank. If the tank is a rookie, it's a tracked tank. If it's a squaddie, its outward apperance is that of a hover tank. Not much of an improvement, but it's an interesting tidbit some of you might make use of.

 

- NKF

[Ki-tat Chung]

what, so all the programmers do is change the "rank"? and one other question about the tanks: can the fire go through the hole in the tank?

[NKF]

Well, the look of the tank's body is determined by the rank. The abilities, like flight, armour, turret image, etc, are determined elsewhere.

 

As for the next bit, I don't quite follow you.

 

- NKF

[Rattler]

Are you talking about the Displacer Tank from TFTD? That has a hole that goes through it and I'm pretty sure bullets and what not does go through it

[Zombie]

Sorry about the necromancy, but I have been doing some research in X-COM to clear up some questions. It's surprising that I even remembered this thread! Anyway, NKF asked this a while back:

However, what I would like you to consider is the difference in difficulty levels. Alien stats are adjusted based on the difficulty level, but I do not know if the same holds true for civilians.

- NKF

I was messing around in the Beginner and Experienced difficulty levels the other day and decided to check out civie stats. There is no difference in a civilians stats as the difficulty changes. And like it was mentioned, Males and Females have the same numbers too (except for the weights). Here is a list of the values:

Time Units: 35

Stamina: 65

Health: 30

Bravery: 80

Reactions: 30

Firing Accuracy: 30

Throwing Accuracy: 50

Strength: 20

Psionic Strength: 5

Psionic Skill: 0

Front Armor: 0

L/R Armor: 0

Rear Armor: 0

Under Armor: 0

 

- Zombie

[Bomb Bloke]

Weights?

[NKF]

Yes, the male civilian weighs 30 units, while the female civilian weighs 50 units. Of course, we don't really notice this because the civilian corpse never shows up in the inventory screen, so we can't pick it up.

 

- NKF

[Bomb Bloke]

Ah, you mean the ITEMS... Technically speaking.

[Stun Grenade]

If you can't pick them up then how do you measure their mass?

[Bomb Bloke]

By reading through the datafiles of the game.

[Hobbes]

Yes, the male civilian weighs 30 units, while the female civilian weighs 50 units.

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