The Mohammed Drawings

[Crazy Gringo]

Today the danish flag 'Dannebrog' was set ablaze on an open street in Gaza and joined the infamous hall of fame of flags that had been burned on a public street. (This time is a first for me. It might not be so....)

 

Why you might ask....It is because of the title of this topic The Mohammed Drawings.

 

Background: The danish newspaper Jyllands-posten brought a story about how 12 satirical sketch artists presented each of their work of how Islams most holy figure (right up there next to Jesus), Mohammed, the prophet, would look like.

 

The aftermath: The drawings released an uproar in the islamic society in Denmark and there was demanded an offical apology from Jyllands-posten which refused. The danish goverment also ignored and refused the islamic societies request for legal action against Jyllands-posten. After months of ping-pong back and forth it has escalated into this

 

Islamic countries are doing the following:

-burning the danish flag Dannebrog.

-banning the sale of danish products in islamic countries aka. an unofficial economic embargo.

-requesting an FULL public apology from Jyllands-posten.

-recalling their diplomatic envoys from Denmark.

-proposing a UN-resolution that is aimed to protect religious beliefs from slander/bashing/or any other form of badmouthing. Which will impose restrictions on the will of free speech through out the world.

 

 

The Possible Future: The long awaited terrorist attack in Denmark after 9/11. Due to the fact that Denmark has troops stationed in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan and this Mohammed Drawing incident.

 

My personal view is that this is indeed a joke that has gone too far.

But I do understand the muslims since they do indeed take their religion serious.

So is this a joke gone to far or not?

 

PS: If any muslims or otherwise feel offended by this post you know where to find me.

[Bomb Bloke]

Needless to say, we want to see some examples of this 'art'...

[Accounting Troll]

The BBC is covering the diplomatic row here.

 

I think the muslim governments are making a lot of fuss about nothing. They are deliberatly getting their people worked up about this matter in order to distract them from domestic issues, rather like the satirical film Wag the Dog in which a US president organises a fake war against Albania to boost his domestic popularity.

 

I was particularly interested to note that Indonesia is one of the countries that is kicking up a fuss. This is a country that tried to block international relief efforts in the aftermath of the tsunami because they don't want the West to find out about the atrocities their forces commit against the seperatists in Aceh. Remember East Timor as well? And Saudi Arabia has absolutely no right to complain about alleged religious intolerance in other countries!

 

I think Denmark should just tell the governments that are kicking up the fuss that Danish citizens have the right to free speech, unlike their own citizens, and this right includes the right to hold opinions that the Saudi and Indonesian governments disapprove of. And if a few corrupt and intolerant governments don't like it, too bad!

 

THis trade boycott - since there have been similar boycotts called against America and Britain over Iraq, one wonders how many countries are left for the fundamentalists to buy things from

[Gungadin]

For those of you who say "whiny Muslim girly-men, what's the big deal?": Picturing Mohammed is a HUGE no-no in Islam. It is roughly the equivalent of me going to Jerusalem dressed up like Adolf Hitler and pissing on the Weeping Wall while singing Skrewdriver songs.

 

I think Jyllandsposten (the newspaper responsible for the drawings) is in the right, legally and morally. Because of freedom of the press, they can print whatever they want. In this case, however, they screwed up royally. If there had only been a single muslim working on the newspaper, he could have told them not to. Instead they managed to piss off roughly 1/6 of the world's population. They had the right, but should have known better.

 

The Danish government was also in the right. Everybody, including leading members of the Corps Diplomatique, urged the PM to extend a hand in apology to the various Muslim ambassadors, which he refused on grounds that it really wasn't his business and that they should take it up with the newspaper in question. I agree, asking the PM of a democratic country to censore news outlets is out of the question and he did the right thing by telling them to deal with it.

 

The Arab countries are also in the right. You don't like something Denmark does, fine, express your dissatisfaction by boycotting and demonstrating. Libanon and Saudi Arabia have just recalled their ambassadors to show how pissed they are. I am actually positively surprised that nobody special has voiced threats of holy war against Denmark, save for lone idiots sending hatemail to Jyllandsposten.

The boycots are working too. Dairy products giant Arla has been lamenting the loss of their business in SA and other countries.

 

In other news, Abu Laban, top man for the more regressive Danish Islamic community, is a huge tosser. He does everything he can to fuel the fire, up to and including exaggerating the stories of how howwibly Muslims are being persecuted in Denmark in order to sell his message abroad. This hypocritical cock deserves stoning....WITH BACON!

 

Here's a fun site: https://www.no4denmark.com/ar/su.php

 

Waging Jihad online in a free-market society.

 

I don't think a terror attack is out of the question. We'll have to wait and see if this thing blows over or if more people do stupid shit. Like publish a gay porn movie starring Mohammed, Moses, Buddhah and Jesus.

 

The whole thing reminds me of an old stand-up joke I once saw performed.

 

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I know that I had promised you a very special guest to appear with me tonight. That guest was supposed to be Salman Rushdie, who has recently been able to move freely after the fatwah against him has been lifted. Unfortunately, he decided to write a new book, which he entitled "Buddhah was a short, fat Jap bastard" with the result that, well, he's had to go back into hiding."

 

Some people just never learn.

 

Here is one of the pictures: https://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/2005/J...-Muhammed_s.jpg

 

I'd be pissed off at this too, if I was a Muslim.

[Crazy Gringo]

Needless to say, we want to see some examples of this 'art'...

 

After a little surfing on the WWW I found the drawings....

 

The Mohammed Drawings

 

So now we all can see what the fuss is about

 

As for Arla....Let them send their two cavemen from their television commercial on a tour/rampage through the islamic countries screaming 'ARLA!' all the way. Then the muslims will know that we are just an bunch of crazy danes.

 

As for how bonkers you would go over drawings like the Mohammed Drawings is a question of how religious you are I would say.

I'm not that a religious person, so I guess I'll find it funny if the Hitler clone marched through Jerusalem and p'ed all over the Weeping Wall. Except it would be even more fun if the Hitler Clone was beaten into a bloody mess on the ground and hosed away into the nearby sewer drain.

 

I found this on the website that Gungadin posted:

 

HIS EXCELLENCY, Dr. Per Stig Mّller the minister

of the foreign affairs of the Denmark Peace be upon those who follow

the true guidance: I have reviewed what some of the news agencies dealt

with concerning the Danish news agency Jyllands-Posten had published,

which I believe it to be a heinous mistake and dreadful deviation from

the path of justice, reverence and equality. The said agency published

12 cartoon caricatures on the 30th of September, 2005, ridiculing

Mohammed , the messenger of Islam. One of these cartoons pictures

Allah's Messenger PBUH, wearing a turban that resembles a bomb wrapped

around his head. What a pathetic projection! I was extremely saddened

to read such news.

I personally visited the site of the agency on the net.

I examined the size of the blundering scandal it was. On Sept 29th,

2005 issue of , Jyllands-Posten, I saw and read dreadful news and

cartoons.

The news and the cartoons were horrifying and extremely disturbing to

me.

I believe al Muslims who read, viewed or learned about this news were

equally saddened, disappointed and disturbed. All criticized such work

and felt awful and dismayed about it. Similarly, I do believe that all

sane and wise people, I believe, would feel the same about it.

The contemporary world is witnessing today great much confusion all

over. Innocent blood is being shed. Innocent lives are being harvested

by oppression and transgression. We are in utmost need to spread peace,

justice and love all over the world. We need to call for the respect

and reverence of all Divine and heavenly Messages and Scriptures. By

doing so, we would be able to preserve the divine messages and

demonstrate love, appreciation and reverence to the Prophets and

Messengers of Allah, the Almighty to this world.

We would further help to preserve the souls, honor and belongings of

all mankind all-over-the-world. We would further demonstrate the

respect and honor of the human rights all over the world.

The claim of Jyllands-Posten newspaper that they allow, promote and

practice freedom-of-speech, by publishing cartoons ridiculing Mohammed

the Prophet of Islam, is a non-convincing claim. All worlds'

constitutions and international organizations insist on and demand to

respect all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah, the Almighty.

Moreover, they confirm the necessity to respect the Divine Messages,

respect others and do not attack the privacy, dignity and honor and

principles of others. In the International World Federation Council of

media and press people, it is stated:

) Media people must be alert of risks that may arise as a result of

prejudice and discrimination implied by the media. The Council would

exert every possible effort to avoid being involved in such calls,

which are based on prejudice and religion, sex or other social

differences discrimination. A media man may commit a dangerous

professional deviation such as: claiming other's work,

ill-interpretation of facts, false accusations of others, condemning

others for no basis, accusing others with their integrity and honor for

no sound basis or accepting bribes to either publish or prevent the

publishing of specific materials. A noteworthy media-person should

believe that it is their duty to give an honest attention to the

aforementioned items, and through the general framework of the law in

each country.) Therefore, we also base our opinion and/or statements

herein on an honest and sound media proclamation requesting the Danish

newspaper to apologize for what they did. The proclamations states:

"The media person would exert every possible effort to correct, modify

any published information that he/she noticed that they are inaccurate

and/or harmful to others." Undoubtedly, what the Danish newspaper;

Jyllands-Posten published is harmful not only for more than two hundred

thousand Danish citizen, but also to more than

one-billion-three-hundred-million Muslims along with others who are

fair and just people. All these hurt people honor, respect and love

Mohammed the Prophet. This action will continue to hurt and harm all

Muslims so long we live on the face-of-this-earth. Denmark, if does not

deal with this problem on a fair ground, will also continue to be a

source of harm and convulsion to many Muslims. This is because of the

mentality of some Danish individuals who are anti-prophets, messengers

and divine messages. We would like to remind also with the decree which

the Human Rights Agency in the United Nations adopted on the 12th of

April, 2005. This decree insisted on the ban of distortions and vicious

attacks against religions and especially Islam; which had been strongly

attacked in the last few years.

Finally, I would like to inform you that all Muslims will certainly

stop their commercial business dealing with Denmark until they openly

and officially apologize for the shameful attack to the person of

Allah's Messenger SAAW by Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

[Accounting Troll]

Granted a devout muslim might find some of the images offensive, but is it any worse than how Christians and Jews are portrayed by the Muslim fundamentalists?

 

For some reason, I'm thinking of the parallels with the Salmon Rushdie case and the Dutch writer who was murdered for accusing Muslims of being intolerant.

 

And I've been pondering the flag burning in Gaza. People there are always burning Israeli, American and British flags, and now they are burning Danish flags. Where exactly are they getting alll these flags from? If I was living in a Palestinian town or refugee camp, I wouldn't have a clue where to begin looking for a Danish flag to burn and for a convenient cameraman working for an international news organisation to burn the flag in front of.

[Bomb Bloke]

By now they probably have door-to-door flagsalesmen, and a whole flag telemarketing enterprise up and running.

 

Rest assured someone is making a packet out of all of this.

 

"Buy one Danish flag, get two American flags free! Now with added magnesium weave"

[Gungadin]

To brighten your day:

https://homepage.ntlworld.com/wanderingbrit/frontaftermay/1priceless.jpg

[Accounting Troll]

That's definatly made my day!

 

Unfortunatly the crisis is getting worse. Libya is closing its Danish embassy and Danish citizens are being advised against travel to Saudi Arabia - story. Oh, and the Palestinians have attacked an EU office in Gaza.

 

This is getting pretty surreal now - Libya is ruled by Colonel Gaddafi who is happy to launch terrorist attacks when the mood suits him - the Lockerbie bombing and the murder of a policewoman outside the Libyan embassy in the UK were both traced back to Libyan military intelligence. And Gaddafi has a policy of only employing female bodyguards.

 

As for the Palestinians, they receive a lot of economic aid from the EU. It would be a disaster for their cause if they manage to alienate us.

[Gungadin]

That's definatly made my day!

 

Unfortunatly the crisis is getting worse. Libya is closing its Danish embassy and Danish citizens are being advised against travel to Saudi Arabia - story. Oh, and the Palestinians have attacked an EU office in Gaza.

 

This is getting pretty surreal now - Libya is ruled by Colonel Gaddafi who is happy to launch terrorist attacks when the mood suits him - the Lockerbie bombing and the murder of a policewoman outside the Libyan embassy in the UK were both traced back to Libyan military intelligence. And Gaddafi has a policy of only employing female bodyguards.

 

As for the Palestinians, they receive a lot of economic aid from the EU. It would be a disaster for their cause if they manage to alienate us.

 

Come now, you're being hysterical. Gadaffi has NO interest in launching terrorist attacks anymore - He's even apologized openly for it in order to get let back into the Good Boys club. Also, I don't think they "attacked" the office. I got the impression that they occupied it for a little while, just to make a statement, and that nobody got hurt.

 

Actually, in Denmark at least, it seems to be getting worse. Jyllandsposten has issued a formal, if somewhat grudging, apology and the PM has stated that he personally disagreed with JP. And the Association for the Islamic Faith has accepted the apology, commending JP and the PM on it, saying it was the decent thing to do and that they shall try to spread the word to the rest of the Muslim world.

 

Bad news: Food giant Arla just fired 100 employees due to boycots. Experts calculate that they might have to lay off up to 10.000 if boycots get worse and continue over a long period of time.

[uriaheep]

I thing I'm going to open a flag shop!!

[Crazy Gringo]

Thanks for show that picture G. It made my day as well.

 

Now to talk about when the 'attack' comes....and Holger Danske will raise again.

Has we retaliate in anger and let their god sort them out or shall we whine a lot about it and let it slide?

I am crazy enough to retaliate in anger but I am also smart enough to know that it needs to be a 'smart' retaliation hitting the currect people instead of pissing of the average muslim who will run around gathering a mob that will begin to beat up any danes they spot.

[Gungadin]

Thanks for show that picture G. It made my day as well.

 

Now to talk about when the 'attack' comes....and Holger Danske will raise again.

Has we retaliate in anger and let their god sort them out or shall we whine a lot about it and let it slide?

I am crazy enough to retaliate in anger but I am also smart enough to know that it needs to be a 'smart' retaliation hitting the currect people instead of pissing of the average muslim who will run around gathering a mob that will begin to beat up any danes they spot.

 

Hahaha, what the hell's the Danish government gonna do in the case of an attack? Send more submarines to desert wars?

 

I've always been concerned with the idea that Denmark or any European country might become a major player in what would be perceived as a religious war, like if the Americans decided to nuke Mecca, as some Republicans advocate, because that would mean that the 5-10% Muslim population in Europe would go berserk and cause civil war.

[Crazy Gringo]

Hahaha, what the hell's the Danish government gonna do in the case of an attack? Send more submarines to desert wars?

 

Worst case scenario: Declare Denmark in a state of Martial Law and send in the 'very' green troops. But not before the police have tried to stop them with tear gas and water cannons.

Paramilitary factions (gunwielding hill-billies) are pretty much non-exsistent in Denmark even if we got some far right and far left extremist who surely would put their fuel on the fire when the shit hits the fan.

We got serveral 'ethnic ghettos' aka. 'powder kegs' that surely erupt into rampaging violence through their surroundings as well.

[KoMik]

All muslims are not terrorists!

But all Danes must be punished because

of 5-10 artists and a careless publisher?

Crazy world...

 

I just had to wrote something because I'm a cartoon drawer

and I hate this fuss from the bottom of my heart, period.

Someone should draw a picture...

 

PS: I would never draw Mohammed, what's the point?

[Crazy Gringo]

It reminds me of the first Baldur' Gate computer games.

 

There is an episode where you are blamed for killing the leaders of something important in Candlekeep....But I hadn't killed them....They were still alive and kicking....So I thought: 'If you gotta do the time, you might as well do the crime'. So I had my characters happily killing the leaders and getting some magical loot along the way before being arrested when leaving the building.

 

As you said, Komik. Not all muslims are terrorists and why must all danish citizens be affraid of a terror attack due to some dirt-for-brains newpaper publishers for making/printing that article.

I don't think that the newspaper editor/author knew that making or publishing pictures of Sa...Oops....The prophet Mohammed is a major no-no in islam as Gungadin put it.

 

Maybe you can draw a picture since you are an cartoon drawer? Anders Fogh Rasmussen getting a reticulan rectum examination by a couple of burka dressed illegal aliens. A little something for the UFO Aftershock Creativty Contest....

[Gungadin]

Somebody told me that some Muslims had demanded that the Queen apologize. You heard anything about that Gringo?

[Crazy Gringo]

Somebody told me that some Muslims had demanded that the Queen apologize. You heard anything about that Gringo?

I saw the angry arab/muslim proclaim it on the 7 o'clock news last night. I ROFL'ed at him for the sheer fun of it....Even if he might consider it NOT funny.

The Queen has no real power and must not interfere in politics in any kind of way. (What will happen if she does interfere?)

The real power here in Denmark resides with the danish multinational companies that reside here.

And they are the one being hit right now.

The ministers and the politicians are just puppets for these companies.

But even the puppeteers must come crying on their hands and knees to the puppets sometimes even if it is only for 'show'.

Ah yes shadow warfare aka. the hidden war is my kind of war.

[Gungadin]

Holy Cow, Abu Laban is a dick! That man is the epitomy of dickery!

[Crazy Gringo]

Holy Cow, Abu Laban is a dick! That man is the epitomy of dickery!

He is not a dick. He is an a**hole according to the dick-pussy-a**hole speech from the Team America puppet movie. He is sh**ing all over the dicks that wants to f*** him up and the pussies who won't let the dicks f*** him up and get this thing done with.

 

Abu Laban is playing two sides in this Mohammed Drawing case and deserves to be 'punished' aka. fall flat on his face when stepping on his forked tongue.

 

But I do like that there are some dicks of newspapers around Europe who is f***ing with those islamic a**holes by printing the drawings. Even if it is just more fuel for the giant pyre that thing has grown into.

 

Edit by BB: You missed one censor.

[Gungadin]

Last update in this circus of hilarity: Now the USA ALSO condemns the drawings, saying that it is VERY insulting to Muslims and that the Danes are naughty-naughty for publishing them.

 

Guess that's what you get for supporting various wars LED BY THE US AGAINST MUSLIM NATIONS: A nice, fat, hypocritical backstabbing.

[Crazy Gringo]

Should we start burning the US flag and boycotting American products?

No more Hollywood movies, gasguzzling cars, crappymade fatty fastfood, no more awful managed natural disasters, overpriced military hardware, Playboy Pictures(doh!).....

It reminds me of Rammstein's 'Amerika' sing. "Amerika, Amerika! Alles is wunderbar", is the chourus.

Amerika is not the land of milk and honey. Nor is Denmark even if many of the immigrants that comes up here thinks so to begin with. With this Mohammed Drawing incident the danish milk went sour a big way(Arla!) and the sweet honey was nowhere to be found.

 

And now free speech is used as an argument/excuse for the pictures being printed. You also have the right to object to the opinion of somebody if it is not yours as the muslims are doing the WRONG way by threats, badmouthing, economical embargos which are ILLEGAL for members of the WTO.

Insulting/offending other people is something the human race have been doing the dawn of time with various some times deadly and devasting outcomes. Standup comedians in particular do it for a living and get paid for it. So where are all the muslim comedians insulting/offending the countries who printed the pictures? I only know of one muslim standup comedian and he is DANISH!

 

And in other news Kofi Annan, head huncho of UN (Unlawful Nations), said that the muslim world should accept the apology which not even contained the words: "We are sorry! We screwed up big time with those pictures! The unholy infidels have had their hands and feet chopped of and won't be able to made any depictions of your holy prophet (Mohammed that is).

 

The world is currently sitting on a enormous powder keg with the a lit fuse and the western world is trying to spit at the fuse to make it go out. They might succeed. If they do there is just one more powder keg in storage for the time when one of the powder kegs finally blows.

 

A little anarchy and chaos is what this 80 year old, cigarsmoking, fat and ugly grandma of a world society needs. It needs to get out of it's rocking chair and leave the porch and open up it's eyes to the REAL problems of this world instead of thinking of how to cheat in bingo the next Thurday....or is it next Tuesday? Ah....I keep forgetting....I guess that I am getting old....

 

PS: If any muslims, americans, danes and/or otherwise feel offended you where to find me. (Scans the sky for any GPS-controlled falling objects.)

[Gungadin]

Yes, I feel HIGHLY offended! I have now decided to boycott all products coming out of Greve. (Should be easy enough, all that comes out of Greve is overweight racists with bad driving skills. )

[Accounting Troll]

Last update in this circus of hilarity: Now the USA ALSO condemns the drawings, saying that it is VERY insulting to Muslims and that the Danes are naughty-naughty for publishing them.

 

Guess that's what you get for supporting various wars LED BY THE US AGAINST MUSLIM NATIONS: A nice, fat, hypocritical backstabbing.

 

I think that's deeply ironic because there is no way that there would have been this amount of anger over the drawings if it han't been for the deep frustration many muslims feel about US international policies, particularly the invasion of Iraq and American support for Israel.

 

And now protestors in Syria have set fire to the Danish embassy link. It had been closed because of the protests, so hopefully none of the staff were hurt.

[Gungadin]

One can't help but wonder: Do they really think setting fire to embassies is going do to any good? At all?

 

One thing's for certain: Right-wing extremist parties will get a 50% vote boost in the next elections. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE DANISH MUSLIMS DO NOT REALIZE THIS! They're shooting themselves squarely in the foot and may yet find themselves exiled on account of guilt by association of being brown-skinned.