BladeFireLight Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Just for the fun of it today I edited in some civilians into a combat. and armed them with plasma pistols, Just to see what would happen. the 2 of them were near a floater. The foater shot the first one but missed the second.. the Civilian then took out the floater with 2 shots. I think on my next terror site I will give the civilians rifles. It would fit into 'the unknown menace' when the street gang tried to take on the aliens 1 :alien2: Oh look a civilian. shoot it 2 :alien2: whats that? he has a gun! *Blam!* Get your slimey butt out of my hood! Please put your weapon down and leave the area. This is an X-com matter. *Blam!* No! This is my Hood you get out! -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Why not trying to arm all of the civilians on a Sectoid/Ethereal terror mission and see if the aliens try to control them? That might be interesting....instead of just watching out for the aliens you'll have to be careful about the same people you're supposed to protect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman42 Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Just out of curiousity - *how* did you give the civvies guns? And can they be given guns "by default"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 I hex edited them in. I have picked the brain of scott t jones (of xcomutil fame) and have a good working knowledge of the data files..if it can be done automaticaly it would be cool. but I have to figure out if it is practical.. right now i'm not sure. I'm going to try it on a terror site next... -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de_freak Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 that would be really cool but going down to hex level is a bit deep aint it?! i mean if u really wanted u could do all sorts using hex if what u call hex is what im thinking of..............as in binery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 23, 2003 Author Share Posted January 23, 2003 well as is hex i mean numbers like 00 01 02 0A 0B it's how the data files store information. it is easyer than binary to modify. besides I have some powerfull editors to help me. but the whole idea is to test thing manualy befor creating a program that does it automaticaly. arming civilians may only be possible on a saved game. I dont know yet. -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 If I'm not mistaken, depending on what options you've enabled, XComutil will do its magic on the files in the missdat directory every time the game switches between the Geoscape and the battlescape. The missdat folder really just holds a savegame of the current battle or its results. I imagine your utility might be able to do the same thing. Just a matter of putting it in the right place in the game's or xcomutil's batch file. - NKF Random geeky tidbit for the day: Four binary bits make up one hex digit. For example: Binary 1111 in hex is F, or 255 in base-10. 8-bits are two hex digits, or eight binary bits. A good way to see this working for yourself is to open up the windows calculator, set it to scientific mode, enter a number then fiddle with the dec, hex, oct and bin buttons. Some scientific calculators have similar functions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 23, 2003 Author Share Posted January 23, 2003 It works I gave 11 civilians pistols in a terror mission... witch just happens to be a sectoid/Cyberdisc in L.A. I thought was cool since in went along with 'the unknown menace'. And the civilian AI is hostle to x-com How ever it was set to supperhuman so the civilians only got 1 sectoid befor i lost my men. (they had just the starting game equipment.) If any one is interested in the saved game PM me. (bet you cant beat this one Veteran) -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de_freak Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 yeah i know what hex is coz im doing a ccna (a cisco networking course) and its one of the things i ave learnt is hex & binary and how to convert them and all kinds of shit like that (and that was only my first week!).but bladefirelight i have a deep respect for you now coz i dont know any1 who could be arsed to go down so far................but then again i dont know many ppl who r in to computers very deeply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 Heh, I recall a recently failed attempt at a sectoid terror site at the very beginning of a superhuman campaign. I tell you, it's suicide! The sectoids are actually a walk in the park compared to their cyberdiscs. The pistols and rifles are going to do squat against the superhuman cyberdiscs. Oh, they'll succumb eventually, but it takes time and copious amounts of ammunition to do any significant damage to one. I must have spent several rifle magazies on one before realising I wasn't hurting it one bit. The only thing that appeared to be making any progress was the heavy cannon. You really need high explosives, large rockets, lots of heavy cannons or a bunch of maniacs armed with stun rods to go up and prod them until they explode. (funny as that last bit might sound, trust me, it works) I like the regular pistol, but it's definitely not something I'd want to go up against any terror unit with. Sectoids, floaters and snakemen, yes, but not terror units. The laser pistol is a different matter entirely. But where on earth is joe-civilian going to get a fancy light pump anyway? - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Photon Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 I did a very similar mission last week, and yes, superhuman cyberdiscs are quite powerful indeed... luckily this time they weren't parking right next to the skyranger so I had a "safe" LZ... but I ran out of missiles at one point and the only thing that could damage them were laser pistols (I did not carry HC/ACs), and it took lots of shots to bring them down (there were 5 of them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 23, 2003 Author Share Posted January 23, 2003 This actualy opens the door for many new ideas... Imagin if you can add civilians to the game. say farmer john with a shotgun defending his orcherd from a sectoid invastion :o Now I know who has been stealing my apples.. *points shotgun at sectoied *:alien2: *stairs blankly. with an arm full of apples ***BLAM** or add hostile fish to TFTD. maybe the aliens are catching shark for dinner... and you interupt and have to take on both the gill men and the sharks... (sharks = civilians with replaced graphics armed with a vibro blade.) -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkvenom Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 So somebody did listen to my idea about arming civilians with guns... Im glad But i forgot where i posted that message To make it more interesting design a military type terrain (map) if ya can and have it like an Area 51 breach mission where you have to go out and save a military base that has civilians with personal armor and armed with pistols and rifles... That would be kewl (it would be just like a terror mission) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de_freak Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 sounds good very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 24, 2003 Author Share Posted January 24, 2003 darkvenom: I'm not quite sure what you mean. I could use xcomutil to take a terro mission and place it in an x-com base map. then give the civilians guns. that would be like that.the problem is the civies are hostile to x-com and aliens. plus they only reaction shot.. but I fix that by giving them 100 reaction -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Photon Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Heh, then I'd like to recruit those civilians you could give them better guns (cannons/laser guns, no pistols/rifles) in that mission though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 25, 2003 Author Share Posted January 25, 2003 Are you sugesting that X-com should sell laser weapons to the gerneral public. :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 Or perhaps someone else beat them to producing laser-tech weapons first. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 XCOM *already* sells laser to the general public... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Not in the first few days they do not. Makes you wonder what people DO to the alien cadavers that you sell. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 27, 2003 Author Share Posted January 27, 2003 B.B.Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JellyfishGreen Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Dead Sectoid Sushi. (I swear! Eyrie Productions said so!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Reaper legs with mayonnaise....yummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Photon Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 (damn, the site was down just when I was posting and it didn't get posted) Lobsterman for breakfast :) Anayway, I mean that X-COM probably sells it's tech to the armies throughout the world... and the other guy suggested the Area 51 thing, so those civilians would actually be regular military forces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted January 28, 2003 Author Share Posted January 28, 2003 I've thought about what it would be like to have a 3 sided battle. you the alien and some hostile goverment military.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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