Zager Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Yup, it's a bit heavy handed Much like '92 LA riots were a case of some civil disobedience. but the target was actually another populated Chinese settlement The UN will love this. getme wrong it was small and as empty as possible but as far as the conscious world is aware the events of the last two days were now nothing more than an unprovoked terrorist attack. Except for the UN, who will immediately dissolve X-COM. You're forgetting that X-COM, as a UN controlled organization has to, at all times, uphold the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is the core of all UN policy. We just violated everything X-COM is supposed to stand for. I suggest it would be a good idea to have a few characters know this as possible. Our characters aren't stupid. They're the best and the brighest. They can put two and two together and come up with four. Genega is sufering a guilt trip that's not going to go away anytime soon and the Chinese government is almost certainly going to cease funding I would imagine... Just the Chinese government? Every nation in the world will drop funding after this event. You think they want that happening to them? No way in hell are they going to continue to support an organization like that. And Rocio Lee, instead of joing X-COM as I had originally thought, is now going to be putting several bullets into Genega's chest at the next council meeting on the orders of her government. Thanks for screwing over my new character idea. The terror attack should have brought the world governments together in their resolve to fight the aliens. Instead, you've turned X-COM into some sort of illuminati that will rub out any number of innocent lives to maintain its secrecy, and turned the world against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Yeah, Vet, I gotta say that's one heck of a post. The writing - great. And brave, no doubt. However, I'm going to have to side with Zager on this one. XCOM's funding is going to dissolve entirely. The people on top know what's going on, and who's going to fund an organization that nukes a city right after the aliens? Remember, from the viewpoint of the county leaders, there's only been one terror site in the entire world. Based on what's happened, it appears XCOM will regularly annhialate all terror sites in order to cover up evidence. Unless you want XCOM to suddenly go independent and live entirely off of selling bodies and laser cannons, we're looking at some major ret-conning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zager Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 I agree, it's a well written post, it just kinda destroys the future of X-COM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Unless you want XCOM to go independent. Which is possible, if you want. I would prefer it didn't, but it could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zager Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Unless you want XCOM to go independent. Which is possible, if you want Let's be honest, how long would we last if we did? We'd be target numero uno for every government in the world. We'd lose half to three quarters of our personnel when their governments recall them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Yes. That's why I'd prefer we did not. It would make things very complicated and difficult to pull off comprehensibly. It is an option though, if you really want to write a different sort of fanfic. Which I don't. Which I don't think anyone does, but I haven't heard everyone's opinion. EDIT -- I cannot believe I forgot to say this. XCOM just isn't going to lose its funding. It has proven to be a danger to neutral countries. The UN is going to go to war with XCOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Veteran Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 No independence isn't an option... So therefore wanton nuking is also not much of an opton... I'd guess to dig myself out of a hole, all I can suggest is that this was less of Genega's doing and more of the UN's. The target could instead be a small underfunded Chinese military establishment. The Chinese government is going to be facing all sorts of conspiracy theories from the press and let's be honest, noone wants that! I would imagine they'd be more than happy to accept vast sums of compensation in order to quell any extraterrestrial notions and sacrifice a base that they can't affor and aren't using... I'm kind of in the doghouse with this one and I've kind of brought you guys with me as I'm on my way back to Wales soon so I can't say much more on the matter until I'm back in two weeks! That would be my personal rectification of the fault though. A government conspiracy to take attention away from little grey men and flying saucers... I think it's believable enough after an edit. Tht'll take two weeks to come through but in the mean time all I can say is carry on however you like! If you guys want to make the edit in the mean time go for it, or just make the decision and carry on the writing with it in place. I could still do the edit myself when I get back. If it's too suicidal then by all means give it the axe but just like it is with everyone's rash posts try and make it a last resort! Hope I don't give you too many headaches in the weeks to come! See you soon guys, TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alitorious Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Uh... back to the "antimatter" guns... Fired continuosly for several days? To me, that is a serious streach of my suspension of disbelief. Several hours, I could accept. Heck, you could get away with half an hour of continuous firing, since you never fire continously anyways. But if you could fire for several days, then screw using the power for just guns! You could power cities with these packs! Make a bomb that releases all that energy at once! Anyways...I was under the impression that the cell used to power the 'lasers' was one of Dr. Zager's amazing (patented) biocells! All the antiparticles would be generated when the beam is fired, not before.For the shot reacting with air; that's why you can see the beam in the first place. The first antiparticles fired would hit air, of course. The air probably turns into plasma or gets completely turned into energy. This leaves a path for the next antiparticles to travel, and so forth. It doesn't make a mega-explosion when it leaves. As for radiation... uh... Maybe the radiation produced by the zapping of air and sectoid isn't lethal, or there is no harmful radiation produced? Hey! Idea! What if the 'laser' fired antiphotons? Then it would sorta still be a laser, right? And back to da nuking: I don't really know what to add, except that I agree that X-COM ordered nuking of a city is a Bad Thing™. It just doesn't seem to make sense. I trust you guys can find a way to fix this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 (Not like a bomb leaves a scene of destruction similar to a tactical ground strike anyways...) I'll never forget this, anyway. "The time Vet bombed China." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zager Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 I'd guess to dig myself out of a hole, all I can suggest is that this was less of Genega's doing and more of the UN's That's even less credible. The UN would never do anything like that. It goes against everything they stand for. The Chinese government is going to be facing all sorts of conspiracy theories from the press China doesn't exactly have freedom of speech. They can easily hush the whole incident up, and keep the outside world from finding out anything. If it's too suicidal then by all means give it the axe but just like it is with everyone's rash posts try and make it a last resort! Hope I don't give you too many headaches in the weeks to come! I say give it the axe. X-COM should restrict itself to military action against only the extraterrestrials. Let local governments handle the coverups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 I will archive the post, and remove it from the thread. Vet, if you want it, it's in your inbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I still prefer the lightning gun idea. Maybe a laser ionizing the air, to explain the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullAuto Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 FullAuto! Long time no see! Ah well, you know, I think it's a 'My work here is done' sort of scenario. With help, the fanfic has been defibrillated back to life, and I can retire to lurking in the shadows and correcting bad grammar wherever I find it. If it stutters again, I'll lend a hand, but you chaps seem to be doing rather well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 You're gonna back off? That's the mentality that slowed the thing down in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman42 Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Whoa, it's been a while. How's it been while I've been away? University and such has played havok with my ability to participate in online stuff until I could get organized, so I haven't been around all that much... Sorry. Can anyone give me a heads-up via PM about the current situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 I've created a heads-up thread, containing a summary of the events of each post. As for the current situation, we're about to have the council of nations meeting! And Vet bombed China, but that's a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Looks good so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I've updated the post in progress, hopefully giving you something to post about. Edit: ARGH! I hit some button or other, and lost a lot of post! Bah, I'll re-write it later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Veteran Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Hey you guys! I'm back a little early, I have internet access this week. Glad you sorted the post out without me and the new posts are looking like a hot little number too! Can't post now because it's not at a pause but I'll try and slip one in when an opportunity presents itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankosha Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I'm probably going to Introduce my new char tomorrow. Too busy today to do anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snikers Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 C'mon, BB! You can't leave us hanging like this! The suspense is too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Sorry folks, I'm just a bit busy... I'll try and finish it this afternoon. I'm planning on finishing it so the Zager can introduce his new character right after. As for Hank's new character, should I mention him arriving with the diplomats as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Bloke Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Right. It's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankosha Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I'm going to introduce him myself right about now. He's going to be Hankosha's Rommate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullAuto Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 You're gonna back off? That's the mentality that slowed the thing down in the first place! Easy, tiger. I'm still here and no doubt I'll still contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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